April 7, 2010
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Spring Cleaning: the Frontpage
We’re finishing up Personal Search and the new customized private home page… part of our Spring Cleaning initiative.
As part of that effort, we took a quick pass at cleaning up the frontpage! We took into account a lot of the feedback we’ve gotten on the ideas tab and elsewhere:
Just to highlight the the tweaks we’re considering here:
- Enhancing Top Blogs to take more criteria into account (so it updates more frequently and is a bit more robust against manipulation).
- Swapping Featured Weblogs and Top Blogs, to drive more traffic to everyone’s blogs.
- Cleaning up and tweaking the page, to make it look more fancier (click on the screenshot above for a closer look).
Before we make any changes though, we wanted to hear from you guys. What do you guys think?
John
Comments (80)
Looks nicer and more organized. A good start.
Will ‘todays’ top blogs only be posts from Xanga itself? Just wondering.
I personally like the Featured Blogs remaining on the left side.
I think more discrimination should be put into what becomes a Top Blog.
It meant something when I joined. It really did.
It looks like a good move from what I see of it
I like the idea of content being updated more frequently.
Bit off-topic but: when I try to search my own site, it says I’ve chosen not to be included in the search. How do I fix this? Is this feature only for premium users? Or maybe it just doesn’t work because my old posts are protected?
Hmm, it would take some time getting used to, but I like the reasoning you have behind the change.
Top Blogs needs to die. Know who’s always on top? Dan. Nothing against him, but the guy is on top all the time for a reason – big audience. Who else can score 200+ comments on almost every single entry in less than an hour? Pretty much nobody.
Do like the idea of stuff being more frequently updated, though. Gives me more to read, and more people to connect to.
Looks ok to me. I think it would be nice if top blogs, most rec’d and featured were mutually exclusive so the same blog posts would not show up on all three at the same time.
Even though I very rarely visit the home page other then to log on, I wouldn’t notice changes… but if it keeps the ones who do happy, then I guess you’ve done your job!!
It certainly provides a more streamlined look and feel to it. I like where it’s headed.
Looks like the
rotating banner get’s 4 links – instead of one…now if that rotates
with even more links available, that’d be even cooler.
If the Top
Blogs feature is more robust, and hinders manipulation, then we would
see more people on it…nice touch.
Interesting to see the switch
of top blogs and featured changed in position. wonder how well that’d
work.
all in all, nice change up…look forward to seeing it
implemented.
hm ok
@faerieshadow - Hi! It looks like your search is blocked by your friends lock… John discusses it a bit more here
@ccarothers - yup, we’re thinking it’d be like the current “Top Blogs” page
It looks great!
hey, I LIKE it. Looks much more put-together and professional (which is what appealed to me about sites like WordPress. I know light blue is kinda of trademark-y, but a change of color would make things less…. juvenile looking. Keep it up, guys.
It looks a bit better.
i am happy to see these changes!
I think the featured blogs should remain right where they currently are.
Looking good to me, looks much clearer and appealing
Awesome idea. (:
yay
Some writers are leaving this blogging community because they are not getting much of a traffic. That may be because the top blogs hog up a lot of attention, and people tend to forget small potatoes! Like someone above said, instead of having the same writers in the top blog section, give chance to other writers, and don’t have a writer in the top blog slot, for more than once a month. This will give others a chance to show their creativity. I hate to see good writers leave because of lack of traffic and comments on their sites.
I like where featured blogs are right now, but I like it otherwise.
Featured blogs should be random 10-20 blogs & let them stay there for several days to a week.
Looking good y’all! Going in the right direction.
I’m a little iffy on where top and featured blogs are placed… it just doesn’t feel right to me. Is there a way to have them in rows on the front page? It’s just because the Featured blogs have a title that should be showcased as well as the Top blogs. It’s weird to me to have it in a smaller section on the front page.
Perhaps I’m used to the old layout, but in my opinion, I think it’d look better if both were showcased equally.
I like the idea about driving more traffic to peoples’ blogs though. I also like the cleaned up version at the top with specific sections: dating, parenting, beauty, health.
I have to confess; I didn’t much notice the design changes (and I’m on Xanga nearly every day), and I agree with Bricker59′s comment that there should probably be more discretion concerning what makes a Top Blog. I barely read the content that makes the front page because I know a lot of it isn’t well-written or thought-provoking (ditto most of the featured content from the ish-sites). The changes make everything look neater and prettier…but my real issue is the quality of writing, and the ease of sub-par posts that are the first thing I see when I log into Xanga.
I’d love for stuff to be updated more frequently, but I do grow tired of always seeing the same people on the featured weblogs. I worry that we’ll still always see the same top blogs, too. Overall, I like the idea of the front page being cleaned up a little.
eh, this probably wont concern me, I’m no top blogger
I like it. I think one of the next steps would be to figure out how to manipulate Top Blogs so, like other people said, it isn’t always the same people, the “big bloggers.” Those people get on Top Blogs because of their traffic, which is fine, I’m not saying that’s bad, but I always thought of Top Blogs as a way to DRIVE traffic, so the way it currently is seems a little redundant.
It looks great. The one thing I would like to see is for top blogs to be randomized. I’m not a big fan of top blogs because of how the same users consistantly dominate the top 10-15 slots. Randomizing it will give more variety.
I think with top recd instead we’ll see even more of a veriety of users on the list. Not everyone who comments the usual top bloggers on a regular basis will recommend the same posts. I think recs are better reputation of what’s popular at the momment on xanga.
@Lithium98 - I totally meant “representation” rather than “reputation”. Stupid corrective spelling on my phone always spells the wrong word correctly.
Sounds good.
@Lithium98 - heh, my phone always whammies me with weird auto-corrections too! Yah, we are testing some tweaks to the “top blogs” algorithm so that it takes rec’s more into account. Preliminary results suggest that the top 1-3 spots probably won’t change too much, but a lot of cool posts are showing up after that!
I would be interested to see what you mean by “more criteria” into account. It always feels like these updates that supposedly drive more traffic to the users end up driving less to the users or spreads the traffic so thin that no site can grow.
You seem to understand the basic idea behind driving traffic to the ish sites. You send the most traffic to the most commented links and you constantly feed traffic to the sites. If you did that with the same passion to ordinary users and give some extra traffic to sites that drive traffic, I think you will not see the decline you saw in the last year. I think you may make people happier. But if it is another trick to basically spread the traffic so thin that no one can grow, I think you will see a continued decline.
Remember, what works for the ish sites will work for the sites. You don’t play games with the ish sites.
In fact, if you do that I might get serious about driving traffic again. I might be in a better xanga mood. Haha.
One time in the past, I was shown a copy of the new front page. When they showed me the copy, I was on the front page being features just like I am on this example. Then for the next 8 months, I was never once featured on the front page. That is the deal. I don’t expect my site to be on the front and top of the page all day every day. It would have been nice if I was features in a manner that was fair.
I’m kind of sceptical about putting top blogs on the main part of the front page instead of featured weblogs, because it’ll be mostly the same people. Maybe it’s worth a try, though.
@marc - Thanks.
@TheTheologiansCafe - haha – lies, damn lies and statistics!
The tweaks we are testing for top blogs are in line with your hopes and dreams. We are trying to strike a balance between promoting high traffic sites (to keep that flywheel of growth going) and introducing new writers with less traffic (but with quality blogs that have the potential to grow). Both seem important to keeping this place vibrant (?), but I’ll be the first to acknowledge it can be a tricky balance.
In any event, we definitely want to help high traffic Xanga sites keep growing! And as I mentioned in an earlier comment, the tweaks don’t seem to affect the highest few blogs on the list (which is good!)
@marc - That’s really good to hear. Sounds better than switching top blogs with top recs.
@marc - Ok. If I see an increase of traffic to my site, I am going to write a post dedicated to you. It will be titled “I <3 Marc.” No kidding. I understand the importance of driving traffic to the traffic drivers as well as driving traffic to the new people and I realize that is a balancing act. But in the past, it has felt like most of these moves drove less traffic to the sites. Will the top blogs be above the fold? That is an important question. Because the current screenshot indicates it will be.
I have always advocated an edited top blogs. In other words, I advocate throwing out the spam and crap.
No offense against some of you other top bloggers.
@TheTheologiansCafe - I’m going to have to find something to wear on that special day (in all seriousness, please do keep me posted on the results you are seeing after we launch any pending tweaks – thanks!)
@Made2sing4Jesus - I’ve thought of that too, but have you ever gone clicking through people’s subscribers? I almost always end up on a dead xanga (like, no posts for more than 18 months) in about three clicks. I imagine there are enough dead xangas that “random blogs” would end up showcasing mostly vacated blogs.
good on you folks at xanga……….
I have no fucking idea what ur talking ’bout……….
And that’s a good thing……
mitch
@HeartOfPandora - I want you to look at something in a different way. I want you to look at this for a second the way I do. A few years back, xanga drove traffic to a secondary link called “Featured Content.” It wasn’t on the front page. It was a secondary link like Top Blogs was. Xanga drove traffic to that link in a few ways. They had the links from that top blogs in random order on the front page above the fold. That meant that people could see those links from the front page. Now there were times when people complained because I was the most commented site every day. They complained day in and day out. So xanga made a change. They chocked off traffic to that old featured content and went to a new system. I told xanga that it would kill traffic to those users and most of them would be gone in a few months. What happened to those sites? Almost all of them disappeared in 2 months. Ask anyone who was around xanga at that time. I wrote a post about it. It is funny but that post is still public. You can go and see who recommended that post. It was a great deal of the people that used to hate my site and complain about me being on top of the most commented every day. But my site was still around. So all the complaining was that I was getting traffic but you know what? Those sites were getting traffic to until xanga cut off traffic to them.
So I wrote a post about xanga driving traffic to the users and a great deal of those sites came back from being on break from xanga and recommended the post. How did I know that it was going to killer their sites? I knew their sites would suffer because xanga would no longer be driving traffic to their sites. The problem is that they were so fucused on what I was getting that they missed what they were getting. They were getting traffic.
So xanga responded to the community and started driving traffic to the users again. But then xanga started driving traffic to the ish sites. And also xanga decided to randomize top blogs on the front page. Xanga put it to a vote in the community. They asked them to vote on it. Guess how they voted. Come on. Give it a guess. They voted to make it random. I said at the time that it was going to kill the top sites again. Well, it only took a few months and sure enough a great deal of those blogs dropped off significantly in traffic. But I still get comments and traffic. I post less now but I have less motivation if xanga only drives traffic to the ish sites.
Now, I want you to put aside whatever you currently think for a moment. I want you to assume a few things. I want you to assume that I want xanga to grow. I want xanga to grown because my site will grow with it. Yes, that is right. If xanga grows, then my site grows too. Remember when xanga sent out millions of emails asking people to update their site or they would lose their user names? My site increased in traffic by 2000 a day when xanga did that for a few months. I was not featured one time on the front page and this was when there was not a top blogs. Why did I increase in traffic? Well, I have a few extra friends and subscribers on here. So when xanga increases in traffic, my site increases in traffic even if I am not on the front page. So when I give advice on what xanga should do to increase traffic, I am saying what I believe they need to do to grown.
Now I want you to make a second assumption. What benefits my site, benefits the whole xanga community. That is probably hard to believe isn’t it? But think about it for a second. There is a reason I complained about xanga not driving traffic to the regular sites. I did that because it would send less traffic to people like me but it also sends less traffic to all the users. See, when I said it would hurt all the sites, it really hurt most of them more than it hurt me. Check into it. Ask anyone who has been around for any period of time.
Now there was a thought that was out there for a while that increasing traffic to the ish sites would increase traffic to the users. Xanga would drive traffic to the users via the ish sites. I admit that some on xanga got traffic from the ish sites who didn’t have traffic before. But it is indirect traffic. You would have gotten far more traffic if xanga was driving that traffic directly to your site. Pretty much everyone understands what I was saying on that point and agrees now. You will get more traffic if xanga drives that traffic directly to your site.
Now here is the next assumption. Xanga is not going to put me on the top of their front page all day every day like I am on top blogs. It won’t happen. It has never happened in the 5 years I have been on here. You have only seen me on a secondary link that is not on the front page. So that is why you see xanga saying that they will mix it up a little. You are looking at this current photo and you are seeing me at the top. That is why you saw me immediately jump on the idea of deception. I realize xanga has never driven that kind of traffic to my site. So xanga is not going to start that now.
Here is the next assumption. Assume that I am right and that xanga will grow if they actually send more traffic to the ordinary user with a bias to larger sites. Now this is the hard part for you to swallow but stay with me. Under the current sytem, top blogs is getting nothing. It is starving out those sites. You are also getting nothing. That is right my friend. How many times have you been featured? I am not sure but lets guess it is 3-4 times. You will get far more traffic if xanga gives you a steady source of traffic from its front page than you will get from a random big hit of occasionally being featured. You will also get far more traffic if xanga drives the traffic directly to your site instead of an ish site that then redirects a small portion to your site. But if you want xanga to really randomize the link, you will end up with nothing. Trust me on this. Xanga giving traffic equally to thousands of viewers gives traffic to no one. It will cause the site to go into a downward spiral that it can’t afford at this stage.
But what is the beneift of xanga driving traffic to a user base instead of the ish sites? Let me name a few. The traffic goes directly to your site. But it is better than that. Your favorite nonish sites are going to get traffic too. And you will get more traffic from commenting on their sites. Nonish sites would have better traffic retention with time. But you can also be recommended by your fellow sites. That doesn’t happen with the ish sites. They don’t recommend anyone.
Let me give you an example of how this works. You seem like a nice person but I think you wrote a post one time titled “I hate thetheologianscafe.” If I remember correctly, a bunch of people recommended that post. I might have recommended it myself. I could be confusing you with one of the other 200-300 that have written I hate Dan posts. But if that is correct, you will remember that post got more comments than your last 5-10 posts combined. Why? Because we all recommended you right? You got traffic from your fellow xangans. Heck, you might have even got traffic from me. But an ish site can not recommend your site. You are far better off if traffic is sent to your fellow xangans who can at least drive traffic to you.
So don’t worry. Xanga is not going to make their front page a shrine to me. But make no mistake about it, what drives traffic to me, will drive traffic to ordinary users. Do not advocate a system that ultimately drives traffic to no one. That will not help you. I have realized over time that sometimes people focus way too much on what benefits me or doesn’t benefit me. Instead, they should think about what benefits the user base. But I am pretty good at predicting what will benefit the user base. I am thinking that driving traffic to ordinary users with a bias toward the top commented blogs will show an increase in traffic to everyone.
@TheTheologiansCafe - tl:dr.
I heartily support swapping Top Blogs and featured blogs.
Not bad. Having both a ‘Start a Blog!’ link and a ‘Get Started or Upgrade Your Site!’ link is a bit redundant. The 2nd one even sounds a bit authoritarian to me. I’d also like to see more prominence given to the ‘Search’ box. I don’t use it a lot, but when I do I often have a hard time finding it. (Do a lot of people even bother to use it?) How about a ‘Top Tags’ box? Or ‘Random Tags’? That would give visitors another way to dive in to the Xanga experience.
Since other people are bringing it up, I do like Top Blogs, but it could use some tinkering. Perhaps if it changed more often and had at least two (or more) sets of alternating criteria it would have more variety.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Why do you bother trying to explain this to people who won’t listen? This is like trying to explain to a Democrat that cutting taxes increases revenue to the treasury. They’ll never believe you.
I’m still have a professional beef with you though and that has to do with the amount of traffic you get for the amount of effort and shallowness of content you blog has. I wrote a great post with a lot of meat and used a lot of tricks to drive traffic from Twitter and other places, yet, despite the traffic, I couldn’t get enough eProps and comments to get higher than 86 on Top blogs. Granted, there have been times where I’ve gotten up to 20 something, but I’ve never been in the single digits.
I understand that getting to the top page has more to do with being friendly to Xangans that live on the site, will come comment and recommend every post that an author writes. I’m not you and I’m not ASM. I can’t sell my soul like that and I don’t have the luxury of blogging all day long every day. I keep looking for the moment I cross the top of the hump. I’ve been close, but I’m not there yet.
Understand that I’m not attacking you. I understand what you do. I’m just aggravated that you’re the guy who’s always on the top of the heap without all the editorial blogging. You’ve figured out how to make the system work for you and that’s great, but I wished that there was more meat to go with it. I wouldn’t be as sour.
I am, however, willing to be your protege if the upcoming changes do go through should you want to experiment.
@TheTheologiansCafe - “I have always advocated an edited top
blogs. In other words, I advocate throwing out the spam and crap.
No offense against some of you other top bloggers.”
I am deeply, deeply offended. Deeply. Only M&Ms will comfort me. The pretty pastel colored Easter ones.
Cool.
Looks good,less cluttered.
@TheTheologiansCafe - Also, I’ve got another project for you to tackle if you want to work it. You weren’t to excited about it before, but I think it could be fun. If you’re interested, send me an email. Lord knows I’ve sent you several in the past.
@saintvi - I wasn’t talking about you but I will see what I can do about those M&Ms.
@saintvi - I can send left over pastel colored easter eggs.
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I think you should make it the law of the land that any post with the word “Fail” in the title shall never be uponst the front page
It looks good. Just make sure all the anorexia sites aren’t all that’s in the Top Blogs like they were when I first came here in 2005.
would love to simply see more “recent” blogs — the latest. Not so much the “greatest” since it’s such a subjective thing anyway. Just sayin’.
but kudos for the redesigns & all. Keep up the good work!
I like all of those ideas!
Looks better. It’d definitely be nice not to have so much spam or role-playing fluff in Top Blogs.
I really like the cleaned up frontpage.
Like Dan, I am interested in seeing what the critieria will be for Top Blogs. If it’s good enough, I might even start trying to get back on top again with zeal.
I really like the look. It seems a lot less cluttered and more pleasent to the eye. I love switching the Top Blogs and featured content. Someone said they think they should have equal space…I disagree. Someone else was complaining about Dan always being at the top, but I think it’s a good thing. He does a lot for this site, and if you get a rec from him, you’re golden.
I’m also really excited to start using the personalized private home page.
I think we’re headed in the right direction.
I like the way things are right now. It’s easy to find what you need quickly but if you see room for improvement, by all means go for it. I agree with Bricker59 though about one thing though. A few less “bubble gum” posts and more that have some substance to them would be nice.
All in all though, looks good!
Hmmm… ::approve::
How about a random 10 or so blogs list, somewhere? 5 or 10 blogs at a time that may or may not be good, but show up randomized in an area on the front page. Not sure how you’d control for inappropriate content, tho. . . hmm…
Eh well, I like the proposed idea you have up there!
I’m interested to see how top blogs works in that position, but I may not like it. I’ll have to let you know.
That’s nice, maybe I will actually make it into top blogs for once.
neat
Nope.com
Front page looks really good guys!
I’m probably in the minority, but I’ve kind of stopped using xanga quite as much because a lot of the content on the front page is Really explicit sometimes. It’s fine if that stuff is on xanga for people who choose to read those things, but on the front page where everybody has to see it, including younger people using the site, is not my favorite thing. Basically, what I’m saying, is that content on the front page should be monitored for things that are too explicit.
Hell yeah! Go Xanga, go!
All are fantastic ideas. ♥
@TheTheologiansCafe - Lol at your tldr reply to yourself, but I did actually read it all (slightly confused at this late hour, but read nonetheless). And I must apologise. I wasn’t trying to attack you directly, just using you as an example, though I realise now that I didn’t make that clear at all.
Aaaah well, nothing can ever be perfect, especially not such a complex thing as Xanga. As long as it doesn’t splode or commit suicide, I’m just happy it’s here for me – flaws and all.
I don’t like it at all. The top blogs will always be the same people over and over again. If your goal is to drive traffic to other people’s sites you certainly aren’t doing it by listing the same 20 people over again.
I remember back when xanga would have a random blog or most recent blog shown on the front page. That is why people are leaving. Don’t just caterer to certain people. Xanga wouldn’t be anything if it wasn’t for us small people that write every week and link to our blogs from facebook and other websites. At least have a small modlet for a random blog or something.
I HATE THIS!!!
bleh i don’t like it… put it back the way it was…
It’s a story of mine. I wear the links of london in my whole life. No one knows why I love so much the ring. I also don’t know why. We even don’t know what his name is and how old he is and where he come and went. It really likes a ridiculous story. But I have a proof that is the links of london jewellery ring. It’s neither a dream nor a girl’s imagination.
I don’t know if you can see this article, if you can remember the period happiness, I hope you can have a happy life.
احب تجربة الاشياء الجديدة والتعرف على كل ماهو جديد